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The Zeitgeist movement comes to Cardiff

The controversial movement has been operating in Cardiff since last summer
Members of Zeitgeist
Photo: Mark Cardwell

Since July, Cardiff has been home to its own chapter of the controversial social cause the Zeitgeist movement.

Inspired by the Zeitgeist documentaries by Peter Joseph and the Venus Project concept of social engineer Jacque Fresco, the movement started in 2008 and has divided opinion across the globe.

Though the group’s beliefs in sustainability and equality are shared by others, some of its aims - getting rid of money, government and social classes - as well as its references to a “new world order” have seen it labelled by some as utopian, communist and a religious cult.

The Cardiff chapter will celebrate the movement’s third annual Z-Day tomorrow with a talk at Cardiff Arts Institute featuring activist Charlie Veitch.

“The key aims of the movement are to make a resource-based economy, a humane method of scientific governance and an end to social classes,” explains Vivak Shori, a former call centre manager living in Cardiff Bay, who has followed the movement for two years.

The Cardiff chapter was started by construction administrator Martin Andel after he was inspired by the Zeitgeist films. At a recent group meeting at CAI, he tells me the purpose behind setting up a local group was to raise awareness and share information between people ahead of a day when the movement has a stronger voice.

More than 400,000 people worldwide have signed up to the Zeitgeist website so far, with more than 21,000 in the UK. The Cardiff group estimate more than 50 people have attended weekly meetings so far, although the highest number for any one session has been 20.

When I ask what the Zeitgeist movement would do if given power in Cardiff, Vivak suggests: “Maybe we would completely upgrade the city. We might keep City Hall and the National Museum because of their historical value, but everything else could be redesigned along the lines of Jacque Fresco’s circular city designs.”

The group recently got involved with new Cardiff environmental network CF Hub, but attracted criticism from members of other groups who accused Zeitgeist of using the network’s meetings and Facebook page as a recruiting board.

“We share the same goal as groups like Transition, and we are trying to offer Zeitgeist as an umbrella for them to communicate under,”explains Martin.

Vivak adds: “What the Transition movement is doing is vital, but they are just doing patch work and they don’t come up with a solution.”

He believes the movement has changed his life: “I am far more relaxed now than five years ago, and have become far less materialistic. I used to drive a BMW, now I don’t own a car. The Zeitgeist movement gives you a better understanding of how things work.”


Comments

Very nice, taking peoples words out of the context and twisting them to make them look foolish! That is indeed a very civilized way of presenting oneself as a trustworthy source of information. Author of this article is probably going to experience a steep career growth in an independent press such as Daily Sun or even Sport...

Thank you for the comment.

The piece was not intended to take words out of context or make anyone look foolish, it was an attempt to look at what the movement aims to achieve at a local level and what personal impact it has had for members.

I explained this while talking to members at the meeting.

I am sorry if parts of the article are critical of the movement, but I feel it also lets members explain for themselves why the movement is a positive thing.

Ok, then please explain why have you for example changed the sentence "Humane application of scientific method for social concern" to "...a humane method of scientific governance..."
Those two are totally different things and the way you say it makes the RBE society model look like the Technocracy which it definitely isn't.

And to comment on bringing up silly labels such as 'Cult', 'Communists' or even 'New World Order' I would like to share this video that pretty much summarizes it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4xVqL5ZQco

I have checked with my notes and "humane method of scientific governance" is what I had in my shorthand, apologies if this is not what was meant.

These labels were ones which were cited by members themselves during the meeting as examples of criticism, or terms which have been used by members of other environmental groups on the CF Hub page (who also have valid opinions).

We do not want you to feel the group has been misrepresented - would you be interested in setting out the group's aims from your own perspective in a guest post for the site?

There's no need to attach The Zeitgeist Movement to the world of fanaticism of the "new world order", it's a purely logical sustainability movement. It would be very unlike anyone in our group to use the word governance. Absolutely any organisation using CF Hub could be accused of being out for recruitment, there's no reason other than bias to single us out in this respect. Also, Vivak may have been a call centre manager but he isn't now, this is inaccurate journalism. A guest post would be good.

Ruffstylz

Ruffstylz,

Great, drop us an email at cardiffiannews@gmail.com and we can talk about a plan for the post.

Thank you for raising the issue of Vivak's job title, I am checking this with him.

Please understand I am not myself being critical but am stating that there has been a disagreement and these comments have been made - which people can see for themselves on the CF Hub page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_172332376124304&notif_t=group_...

Good work on putting a negetive and 'culty' feel on what was a brilliant day in Cardiff, full of useful and important information for everyone.

Also the guy who commented is an idiot. There are people from all walks of life in the movement

These people should go back to their bedrooms, roll up a fat one and put that reggae version of Dark side of the moon on. It's all they're good for.

People like you should watch this and watch their whole uninformed, jaded worldview get eclipsed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w&playnext=1&list=PL3AA0ECAB9D6...

"these people" should learn how to multiply brain cells by stop using labels...

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